PBECVictim
08-02 10:20 AM
After doing research, I am thinking that my case may move to Texas Service centre. If I get SRC receipt number, it will be good. My I-140 can be processed within 4 months.
Since it reached before July 30 it can reach anywhere !
Though I would say pray for TSC !
Since it reached before July 30 it can reach anywhere !
Though I would say pray for TSC !
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chmur
07-27 06:09 PM
otherwise society would have have no use for lawyers....who make a living making interpretation of the existing laws.
Anyway, the current discussion is not even about the law but about the different interpretations of the same law . The Visa Bulletin extract also provided yet another interpretation by the same authority.
The Law/Directions from the congress regarding spill over distribution has not changed in over 5 years but it's interpretation and implementation by DOS has changed drastically in the same period.
They have gone "Vertical" to "Horizontal" and probably will somersault next .
2006 -2007 saw EB3 getting lion share of the spill over EB2. It is being reversed now, all without change in any laws/directions from congress.
This year's interpretation cannot be assumed as absolute just because it is favorable to a particular segment of applicants and it is incorrect to opine that any change in such interpretation requires change in law.
All this indicates that congress has given enough leeway to DOS to interpret it's directions , as DOS sees fit to run it's business.
and I think herein lies an oppurtunity for EB3 applicants to state their case and explain if DOS continues with it's current interpretation.
EB3 lobby has to impress upon the DOS that it is in DOS's intrest to not to starve any particular queue lest it will damage it's own throughput.
If convinced , DOS might look at alternative algorithm to mitigate starving within the current directions, atleast we can hope for that.
Now what that mitigation strategy will be within the current laws is known only to DOS. Which algorithm requires law changes... which do not none of us know yet ...everything alternative suggested is speculation based on contradicting interpretations provided by DOS over the years.
Anyway, the current discussion is not even about the law but about the different interpretations of the same law . The Visa Bulletin extract also provided yet another interpretation by the same authority.
The Law/Directions from the congress regarding spill over distribution has not changed in over 5 years but it's interpretation and implementation by DOS has changed drastically in the same period.
They have gone "Vertical" to "Horizontal" and probably will somersault next .
2006 -2007 saw EB3 getting lion share of the spill over EB2. It is being reversed now, all without change in any laws/directions from congress.
This year's interpretation cannot be assumed as absolute just because it is favorable to a particular segment of applicants and it is incorrect to opine that any change in such interpretation requires change in law.
All this indicates that congress has given enough leeway to DOS to interpret it's directions , as DOS sees fit to run it's business.
and I think herein lies an oppurtunity for EB3 applicants to state their case and explain if DOS continues with it's current interpretation.
EB3 lobby has to impress upon the DOS that it is in DOS's intrest to not to starve any particular queue lest it will damage it's own throughput.
If convinced , DOS might look at alternative algorithm to mitigate starving within the current directions, atleast we can hope for that.
Now what that mitigation strategy will be within the current laws is known only to DOS. Which algorithm requires law changes... which do not none of us know yet ...everything alternative suggested is speculation based on contradicting interpretations provided by DOS over the years.
new2gc
02-08 10:55 AM
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rc0878
09-17 09:44 AM
Do let us know incase your receipt numbers start with WAC
Hi,
My Checks are encased on Saturday 09/15th. My Applications received nebraska on July 20th. Since My I-140 is from Texas, the case transferred to Texas.
Just Checks are cashed, not yet recieved any Receipt Notices yet.
Hi,
My Checks are encased on Saturday 09/15th. My Applications received nebraska on July 20th. Since My I-140 is from Texas, the case transferred to Texas.
Just Checks are cashed, not yet recieved any Receipt Notices yet.
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permfiling
12-16 02:11 AM
Well...I came in 2000 as a student...infact I had more stress in US ...never worked so hard..worrying about everything ...so i would put that I had a good time in india only...as I never imagined that I will be doing hi-tech bonded slavery..play to your mgr/employer's whims ...
Going to india atleast every 2 years, I see lot of potential and oppurtunities for business...tatas, mittal, infosys are buying companies in US so money is in asia now so you see all US companies flocking to tap Asian mkt. Having said this, I think I am looking back to go to india after couple more years of stay.
Cheer up as wherever you are, you make your surrounding good....
At the end, all bogs down to how happy you are !..:cool:
contributions $500
Been in the US since 1998, have an EB-2 PD of 2001, have played by the rules all along. Still no GC... And, the dates are going back to 2000 from the new year.. I've lost hopes...
I'm pretty close to getting clinical depression because of this game played by USCIS, Labor Dept, FBI and my own bad luck.
SKILL bill, OMNIBUS, etc. comes and goes. IV does seem to be doing things to lobby for the community, but let's face one reality. Like a news article said, no one in congress or senate wants to touch immigration even with a long pole until 2009.
The US has been very good to me (other than the GC part), more than my home country (India) which is why I'm still here.
Have invested too much of time in this country to just pack up and go. Just curious if any of you feel this way? How do you handle such depressing feelings?
Going to india atleast every 2 years, I see lot of potential and oppurtunities for business...tatas, mittal, infosys are buying companies in US so money is in asia now so you see all US companies flocking to tap Asian mkt. Having said this, I think I am looking back to go to india after couple more years of stay.
Cheer up as wherever you are, you make your surrounding good....
At the end, all bogs down to how happy you are !..:cool:
contributions $500
Been in the US since 1998, have an EB-2 PD of 2001, have played by the rules all along. Still no GC... And, the dates are going back to 2000 from the new year.. I've lost hopes...
I'm pretty close to getting clinical depression because of this game played by USCIS, Labor Dept, FBI and my own bad luck.
SKILL bill, OMNIBUS, etc. comes and goes. IV does seem to be doing things to lobby for the community, but let's face one reality. Like a news article said, no one in congress or senate wants to touch immigration even with a long pole until 2009.
The US has been very good to me (other than the GC part), more than my home country (India) which is why I'm still here.
Have invested too much of time in this country to just pack up and go. Just curious if any of you feel this way? How do you handle such depressing feelings?
tonyHK12
02-03 07:38 PM
Thank you manja, ravi,shah, hello for your donations.
Total Contribution: $800
Amount to be raised: 50,000 - 800 = $49,200.00
Total Contribution: $800
Amount to be raised: 50,000 - 800 = $49,200.00
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coolvigo
07-02 11:06 PM
I am all for it. Lets take this from Gandhiji's perspective.....
We can give flowers to everyone going inside the office.............
But I guess big question is who is going to do it...???
not everyone has time and live in the city.
We can give flowers to everyone going inside the office.............
But I guess big question is who is going to do it...???
not everyone has time and live in the city.
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dvb123
05-01 01:00 PM
Dependends will come under
FAMILY-SPONSORED PREFERENCES
Second: Spouses and Children, and Unmarried Sons and Daughters of Permanent
Residents: 114,200, plus the number (if any) by which the worldwide family preference level exceeds 226,000, and any unused first preference numbers:
The priority date will be same as the primary because the law states that primary and dependents have the same priority date. FB 2 is almost same priority dated as EB 1,2 and 3 preferences.
Primary -> Gets visa number from EB 1,2 or 3
Dependents -> Gets visa number from FB2
Wife and children need not wait because FB2 is not that retrogressed.
FAMILY-SPONSORED PREFERENCES
Second: Spouses and Children, and Unmarried Sons and Daughters of Permanent
Residents: 114,200, plus the number (if any) by which the worldwide family preference level exceeds 226,000, and any unused first preference numbers:
The priority date will be same as the primary because the law states that primary and dependents have the same priority date. FB 2 is almost same priority dated as EB 1,2 and 3 preferences.
Primary -> Gets visa number from EB 1,2 or 3
Dependents -> Gets visa number from FB2
Wife and children need not wait because FB2 is not that retrogressed.
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senthil1
12-12 08:24 PM
If we see the history H1B and GC numbers were never increased except 2004 20k inpast 15 years In 2000 it was increasd temporarlily for 4 years.Also EB numbers were never increased except temporary reliefs.If it is increased by Skill bill in current form that is really an acheivement. If there is a possiblity they may increase H1B because that is temorary visa(But in reallity not) and GC numbers may remain same. But if increased to 115k then also cap will be reached in another 1 month because there are more number of Desi companies than number of H1Bs. Thats why they are asking exemptions for MS people and 20% adjustment for every year. We have to wait and see whether congress fall on this trap to do this without analysing the impact.
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calgirl
07-20 03:15 PM
Was asking in general..
If you are asking just about this thread, yes there is a spreadsheet tracking this.
If in general, i am sorry i am not aware of anything.
If you are asking just about this thread, yes there is a spreadsheet tracking this.
If in general, i am sorry i am not aware of anything.
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Maverick1
09-30 01:44 AM
You might need additional documentation only in cases of RFE. In most cases there are no RFEs. I know a friend of mine was job less for a year and changed 2 jobs under AC21(with different salary ranges ) after applying 485. Never informed USCIS (I guess it is not mandatory). He got his GC recently. He probably would have faced difficulty if there were any RFEs.
One should be okay as long as the following are met :
1) 180 days sice I485 RD
2) Approved I140 (Some say approvable , but safe it is already approved)
3) New job is substantially similar.
Again it was not clearly defined what is substantially similar and I don't think there is any hard and fast rule about the salary changes. That leaves a lot to the discretion of the adjudicating officer. That is why it is important that (s)he trust the original intent of the beneficiary to join the employer and employers intent to recruit the beneficiary.
There must be a memo with some clarifications in this regard.
My 2 cents :)
One should be okay as long as the following are met :
1) 180 days sice I485 RD
2) Approved I140 (Some say approvable , but safe it is already approved)
3) New job is substantially similar.
Again it was not clearly defined what is substantially similar and I don't think there is any hard and fast rule about the salary changes. That leaves a lot to the discretion of the adjudicating officer. That is why it is important that (s)he trust the original intent of the beneficiary to join the employer and employers intent to recruit the beneficiary.
There must be a memo with some clarifications in this regard.
My 2 cents :)
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06-06 09:00 PM
No reciept yet..
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unitednations
08-25 03:15 AM
UN,
am always puzzled how H1B is valid also for outsourcing the h1b-employee to another company (like sub-sub-.....sub-contracting) ?
wasnt h1b intended for a inhouse job rather than a job at a client company ?
h-1 by its nature is a temporary job when it was created (it was not dual intent where you could apply for permanet residency). Law is very clear in H-1b that you can be considered the employer (workig at your location or under your direction and control at a client location (pure consulting). OR you can be a staffing agency and outsource employee at a third party location. In this situaiton you are considered a "token" employer and only pay the person. Direction and control come from the place where you are actually working. This is where it gets difficult. Even if you are working at an end client; it is difficult to satisfy uscis these days because the evidence they are requesting; people cannot get it legitamately from many of the end clients.
In some of the various proposals; lawmakers are trying to kill EB based greencard and h-1b for IT people by getting rid of staffing. Staffing companies have historically been the feeder system into the country. Get rid of the feeder system then whole h-1b for IT collapses. People getting h-1b would mainly F-1 students.
am always puzzled how H1B is valid also for outsourcing the h1b-employee to another company (like sub-sub-.....sub-contracting) ?
wasnt h1b intended for a inhouse job rather than a job at a client company ?
h-1 by its nature is a temporary job when it was created (it was not dual intent where you could apply for permanet residency). Law is very clear in H-1b that you can be considered the employer (workig at your location or under your direction and control at a client location (pure consulting). OR you can be a staffing agency and outsource employee at a third party location. In this situaiton you are considered a "token" employer and only pay the person. Direction and control come from the place where you are actually working. This is where it gets difficult. Even if you are working at an end client; it is difficult to satisfy uscis these days because the evidence they are requesting; people cannot get it legitamately from many of the end clients.
In some of the various proposals; lawmakers are trying to kill EB based greencard and h-1b for IT people by getting rid of staffing. Staffing companies have historically been the feeder system into the country. Get rid of the feeder system then whole h-1b for IT collapses. People getting h-1b would mainly F-1 students.
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simple1
05-01 03:27 PM
I repeat to avoid misunderstanding.
This thread tries to findout the correct interpretation of current law.
I am not proposing any change or correction of law. No lobbies or congress involved.
I also strongly believe families should be together and they will be ( as no one will be affected ).
It is a good point that some people have brought up and I am sure IV core will evaluate it to see if it will help more people or less.
However.........
I strongly believe that family should be together. Whatever GC and other immigration issues we have, one should strive for keeping the family together at all times. Missing out on even a few years of togetherness with your spouse and kids is not worth it.
Even in the current system where dependents come under EB quota, I have known people where one spouse got the GC and the other one had to wait for many years because of a name check or something. But the current laws (EAD/AP etc) made sure that atleast the family was not broken up.
If we are looking for a change or correction of law, we need to make sure that the new law has NO kinks that hinder family staying together. If primary applicant gets a GC and the spouse is still waiting for 5 more years (it is possible), then the primary applicant can get citizenship and apply for a new GC for the secondary. Like I said - This situation is possible even in the current system.
As long as kinks are discussed with the lawyers and smoothened out to preserve family togetherness, it should be fine.
This thread tries to findout the correct interpretation of current law.
I am not proposing any change or correction of law. No lobbies or congress involved.
I also strongly believe families should be together and they will be ( as no one will be affected ).
It is a good point that some people have brought up and I am sure IV core will evaluate it to see if it will help more people or less.
However.........
I strongly believe that family should be together. Whatever GC and other immigration issues we have, one should strive for keeping the family together at all times. Missing out on even a few years of togetherness with your spouse and kids is not worth it.
Even in the current system where dependents come under EB quota, I have known people where one spouse got the GC and the other one had to wait for many years because of a name check or something. But the current laws (EAD/AP etc) made sure that atleast the family was not broken up.
If we are looking for a change or correction of law, we need to make sure that the new law has NO kinks that hinder family staying together. If primary applicant gets a GC and the spouse is still waiting for 5 more years (it is possible), then the primary applicant can get citizenship and apply for a new GC for the secondary. Like I said - This situation is possible even in the current system.
As long as kinks are discussed with the lawyers and smoothened out to preserve family togetherness, it should be fine.
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07-02 08:39 AM
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imh1b
02-04 03:48 PM
Why is everyone making a big deal about going to India?
If you want to go , then go.
Its good for the backlog. One way to reduce the backlog if there is no bill is to encourage people to leave USA for 'green grass'. If they leave, we get our green card soon and grass will become green for us.
Let everyone be green and happy.
If you want to go , then go.
Its good for the backlog. One way to reduce the backlog if there is no bill is to encourage people to leave USA for 'green grass'. If they leave, we get our green card soon and grass will become green for us.
Let everyone be green and happy.
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pbuckeye
02-15 09:35 AM
Great initiative IV. Finally signed up for monthly contributions. If that doesn't count towards the event fund, will make a one time contribution as well.
Here is the paypal info for the monthly subscription:
Donation to Support Immigration Voice (User: pbuckeye)
Unique Transaction ID # 8TU01799C9450725Y
Subscription # S-55296973D5390092N
Here is the paypal info for the monthly subscription:
Donation to Support Immigration Voice (User: pbuckeye)
Unique Transaction ID # 8TU01799C9450725Y
Subscription # S-55296973D5390092N
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test101
07-08 12:08 PM
I think more than anything we need organization. We need group of volunteers that focused on different tasks. for example a group of people call congress and follow up and post updates.
group of people lead the flower campaign and anther group wrk on informing the media
there should be a group organize the rally and contact people to sponser.
Again avoid the 21 of july because the media would cover HP book instead of the protest.
here is gazalion post of the same subject.. we need organization
Guys I am looking at this thread for the first time today and want to put some comments:
1) 3 people were making hunger strike at SJSU over the last weekend for DREAM act and we come to know about it thru 1510 AM, KLIVE in Bay Area.
2) Immigration Voice members are planning to make a rally in SJ and we need to read it in the forum of (only) their website.
3) We are hungry about media coverage and want utmost attention of the congressmen about our issues.
BUT, you know what we are missing?:
1) No postings on the windows of those Bharat Bajars and Cash N Carrys and Kumuds. Can't the i-phone designers and router gurus make Ashas and Abhijeets invisible with some eye catching posters?
2) No postings on those other popular websites like murthy.com, immigration-law.com, bata.org etc. Did they say no for this?
3) No usage of the library notice boards.
4) No usage of SMS. Isn't it much cheaper than making contributions to the IV repeatedly?
I hope to see all these channels being utilized fully for July 14/21 march in Bay Area before we talk about CNNs and WPs.
Once the streets of SJ are hit with 1000+ people, those NBCs and CNNs and SJMs will come to us rather than we going to them.
As for myself, I am in whenever the event takes place and will try to bring at least 5 of my friends to the march.
P.S.: This is not an effort to criticize anyone here but just an attempt to help the organizers in whatever way I can.
group of people lead the flower campaign and anther group wrk on informing the media
there should be a group organize the rally and contact people to sponser.
Again avoid the 21 of july because the media would cover HP book instead of the protest.
here is gazalion post of the same subject.. we need organization
Guys I am looking at this thread for the first time today and want to put some comments:
1) 3 people were making hunger strike at SJSU over the last weekend for DREAM act and we come to know about it thru 1510 AM, KLIVE in Bay Area.
2) Immigration Voice members are planning to make a rally in SJ and we need to read it in the forum of (only) their website.
3) We are hungry about media coverage and want utmost attention of the congressmen about our issues.
BUT, you know what we are missing?:
1) No postings on the windows of those Bharat Bajars and Cash N Carrys and Kumuds. Can't the i-phone designers and router gurus make Ashas and Abhijeets invisible with some eye catching posters?
2) No postings on those other popular websites like murthy.com, immigration-law.com, bata.org etc. Did they say no for this?
3) No usage of the library notice boards.
4) No usage of SMS. Isn't it much cheaper than making contributions to the IV repeatedly?
I hope to see all these channels being utilized fully for July 14/21 march in Bay Area before we talk about CNNs and WPs.
Once the streets of SJ are hit with 1000+ people, those NBCs and CNNs and SJMs will come to us rather than we going to them.
As for myself, I am in whenever the event takes place and will try to bring at least 5 of my friends to the march.
P.S.: This is not an effort to criticize anyone here but just an attempt to help the organizers in whatever way I can.
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ashishgour
08-28 11:41 AM
Reached application to NSC on 7/23. No checks cashed yet.
Anybody else there with 7/23 received date?
Me toooo
Anybody else there with 7/23 received date?
Me toooo
ash0210
03-09 11:32 AM
I am from retrogressed country, I am here for last 12 years & did not got depressed as I do not have GC. In my early years in USA, I used to get depress as I was not having GC but then I started thinking...Is GC is the ONLY important thing in my life?
I started concentrating on my work, constrained my self on checking now& then PDs, LUD's. If feellt depresssed - listening Indian classical music and involving in local commuitiy activities/helping kids in their studies..
Life is beautiful, GC is just part of my life and GC do not drives my life..
Well, I am TOO depressed about the BEC performance. I know too many people are in same situation but I find myself "helpless" and at least i want to SCREAM......:mad:
I started concentrating on my work, constrained my self on checking now& then PDs, LUD's. If feellt depresssed - listening Indian classical music and involving in local commuitiy activities/helping kids in their studies..
Life is beautiful, GC is just part of my life and GC do not drives my life..
Well, I am TOO depressed about the BEC performance. I know too many people are in same situation but I find myself "helpless" and at least i want to SCREAM......:mad:
lfadgyas
09-10 12:19 AM
Folks it has been long time I last wrote here � but this visa bulletin made me mad (sorry)
So I went and downloaded all the FLCDataCenter.com (http://www.flcdatacenter.com/CasePerm.aspx) data from 2000 till 2008. It looks like they recorded all the pre �perm cases as well. After this I exported all the stuff into mysql table and made some calculation on the labor certification data. Unfortunately cannot separate (e1,e2,e3 etc � some may want to try by country but �)
Again this is PERM � labor certification!!1 - but has to do with GC I guess...
Time frame 1999 Oct -2008 Oct:
Sum of cases: 720486, like '%CERT%' = 554635 (certified), like '%Deni%'= 60043 (denials), (Non duplicate case numbers were = 715191 (i.e. 5295 duplicates only from the 720486) )
There were ~100000 cases with some other �state� descriptions like Withdrawn = 13955, Received Regional Office = 69556 etc;
Anyway, by grouped years it comes to (sum � certified + denials +etc):
last action date with "null" entry ?? 34113
between '1999-10-01' and '2000-10-01' 74048
between '2000-10-01' and '2001-10-01' 82629
between '2001-10-01' and '2002-10-01' 89524
between '2002-10-01' and '2003-10-01' 95552
between '2003-10-01' and '2004-10-01' 98866
between '2004-10-01' and '2005-10-01' 6153
between '2005-10-01' and '2006-10-01' 79939
between '2006-10-01' and '2007-10-01' 98927
between '2007-10-01' and '2008-10-01' 61997
Guess work (nbr of labor certs are 10% less in each group � denials are not removed):
Still wait - % how many of that group still waiting � (some can give a better guess??)
Family x � one applicant will present 2.5 visa nbrs or so�.
Group Labor cert family x still wait 140000<-as of today
between '1999-10-01' and '2000-10-01' 74048 2.5 4% 7404.8 132595.2
between '2000-10-01' and '2001-10-01' 82629 2.5 9% 18591.53 114003.675
between '2001-10-01' and '2002-10-01' 89524 2.5 14% 31333.4 82670.275
between '2002-10-01' and '2003-10-01' 95552 2.5 19% 45387.2 37283.075
between '2003-10-01' and '2004-10-01' 98866 2.5 38% 93922.7 -56639.625
between '2004-10-01' and '2005-10-01' 6153 2.5 45% 6922.125 -63561.75
between '2005-10-01' and '2006-10-01' 79939 2.5 80% 159878 -223439.75
between '2006-10-01' and '2007-10-01' 98927 2.5 90% 222585.8 -446025.5
between '2007-10-01' and '2008-10-01' 61997 2.5 100% 154992.5 -601018
Do your calculation if you want �:eek:
So I went and downloaded all the FLCDataCenter.com (http://www.flcdatacenter.com/CasePerm.aspx) data from 2000 till 2008. It looks like they recorded all the pre �perm cases as well. After this I exported all the stuff into mysql table and made some calculation on the labor certification data. Unfortunately cannot separate (e1,e2,e3 etc � some may want to try by country but �)
Again this is PERM � labor certification!!1 - but has to do with GC I guess...
Time frame 1999 Oct -2008 Oct:
Sum of cases: 720486, like '%CERT%' = 554635 (certified), like '%Deni%'= 60043 (denials), (Non duplicate case numbers were = 715191 (i.e. 5295 duplicates only from the 720486) )
There were ~100000 cases with some other �state� descriptions like Withdrawn = 13955, Received Regional Office = 69556 etc;
Anyway, by grouped years it comes to (sum � certified + denials +etc):
last action date with "null" entry ?? 34113
between '1999-10-01' and '2000-10-01' 74048
between '2000-10-01' and '2001-10-01' 82629
between '2001-10-01' and '2002-10-01' 89524
between '2002-10-01' and '2003-10-01' 95552
between '2003-10-01' and '2004-10-01' 98866
between '2004-10-01' and '2005-10-01' 6153
between '2005-10-01' and '2006-10-01' 79939
between '2006-10-01' and '2007-10-01' 98927
between '2007-10-01' and '2008-10-01' 61997
Guess work (nbr of labor certs are 10% less in each group � denials are not removed):
Still wait - % how many of that group still waiting � (some can give a better guess??)
Family x � one applicant will present 2.5 visa nbrs or so�.
Group Labor cert family x still wait 140000<-as of today
between '1999-10-01' and '2000-10-01' 74048 2.5 4% 7404.8 132595.2
between '2000-10-01' and '2001-10-01' 82629 2.5 9% 18591.53 114003.675
between '2001-10-01' and '2002-10-01' 89524 2.5 14% 31333.4 82670.275
between '2002-10-01' and '2003-10-01' 95552 2.5 19% 45387.2 37283.075
between '2003-10-01' and '2004-10-01' 98866 2.5 38% 93922.7 -56639.625
between '2004-10-01' and '2005-10-01' 6153 2.5 45% 6922.125 -63561.75
between '2005-10-01' and '2006-10-01' 79939 2.5 80% 159878 -223439.75
between '2006-10-01' and '2007-10-01' 98927 2.5 90% 222585.8 -446025.5
between '2007-10-01' and '2008-10-01' 61997 2.5 100% 154992.5 -601018
Do your calculation if you want �:eek:
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