logiclife
10-08 02:52 PM
What is wrong if people want USCIS to process EB based I485 strictly on PD as per the law. You may claim that is what they are doing, but it is not true all of us know that. This whole thing is working like the GC lottery with more complexity.
I would say IV should make PD based processing as the top most priority in their agenda. This is the simplest thing that can be acheived. Asking USCIS to follow the rules is not as complex as lobbying for ending GC backlog.
People coming up with points of legal stay and other things are just frustated with the system, they want something which is more predictable in the current process not just eliminating GC backlog due to visa numbers.
Asking people to attend state chapters and asking people to contribute is ok, but trying to shutdown peoples thoughts just because they are not the same as someone elses in not right
Firstly, no one can shut down thoughts. They are inside your head. What I am saying is that match your thoughts with your actions, not just expression of thoughts. If you want to express your ideas and thoughts, do it in a way that its heard by people that matter. Your ideas and thoughts heard by other people like you is meaningless. If you can match ACTIONS to propogate your thoughts, by hauling your ass to Washington DC, spending some $$ out of pocket on travel to DC and meeting with a few of the 535 offices, then it matters. Otherwise your idea is not worth 2 cents sitting on forums read by people who are not legislators.
Secondly, YOU THINK that asking USCIS to follow the rules is easier than changing rules (thru legislation). That's because , you and many others like you, think of Government function as if its an IT project. Occupational hazard. That is not how the Government works. The reason they dont follow the rules is because they (1) dont care and (2) are not accountable. USCIS and its non-FIFO procedures, FBI namecheck delays, backlogs in receipting and adjudication of 140 (Atlanta PERM) etc is something that congress cannot fix. USCIS, FBI report to DHS and DOJ respectively and they in turn, report to the White House. Congress can rarely make them work better and make them answer for mistakes, as congress can only do "Oversight" hearings on them. Haul an agency or department head in front of a committee and ask questions (pre submitted). And ask them questions. Make some show on CSPAN. At the end of the day, if Administration tell congress - "GET LOST, mind your own business, this is the best we can do and we are doing it", then congress cannot do anything. Other than impeaching someone. No one is going to impeach Mike Chertoff because one of his agencies (USCIS) is not doing FIFO on something called 485 (which no one in DC knows what it is).
Congressional input rarely works. Example: Intervention of Congress during July bulletin. You know why? Because Congress HAD TO DO IT because of the uproar. I dont see any uproar and your issues like "there is no FIFO", "My PERM is stuck in Atlant for 6 months", or "I am stuck in namecheck for 4 years".
These things need lobbying the Administration. Lobbying the administration is MUCH MORE DIFFICULT and EXPENSIVE than lobbying congress. Why? Because each office of Congress has a boss that faces elections very often. Every 2 years in House and every 6 years in the Senate. Plus they have 535 offices (435 in House, 100 in senate). That means easier access. On the other hand, there is only one office heading USCIS, office of Emelio Gonzalez, and only one Michael Chertoff and only one DOJ and its FBI. So the access of more difficult and lobbying is more expensive.
When it comes to administration, you have limited leverage. Other than 2 people in the entire administration, no one is getting job by elections. The only 2 positions in this branch of Government that are elected and directly accountable to people are President and Vice President. Mike Chertoff of DHS or Emelio Gonzalez of USCIS wont lose next election coz those are on appointed positions not elected positions. Which also means that they dont have to worry about making people angry.
So you see, ASKING for good things like FIFO and Faster namecheck is great in theory. But please understand, from a civic lession viewpoint, the 3 branches of government viewpoint and then make suggestions.
Is Immigration Voice an organization that can raise 100,000 a month each month? NO. Not right now. Right now, people are busy checking their mailboxes for EAD cards. Out of 23,000 registered members, if each contribute $5 a month (equivalent to a burger, fries and coke), it is 100,000 a month. But it wont happen.
So until that happens, feel free to express your thoughts and opinions and brilliant ideas and happy forum discussion. If that's what makes you all happy and content.
I would say IV should make PD based processing as the top most priority in their agenda. This is the simplest thing that can be acheived. Asking USCIS to follow the rules is not as complex as lobbying for ending GC backlog.
People coming up with points of legal stay and other things are just frustated with the system, they want something which is more predictable in the current process not just eliminating GC backlog due to visa numbers.
Asking people to attend state chapters and asking people to contribute is ok, but trying to shutdown peoples thoughts just because they are not the same as someone elses in not right
Firstly, no one can shut down thoughts. They are inside your head. What I am saying is that match your thoughts with your actions, not just expression of thoughts. If you want to express your ideas and thoughts, do it in a way that its heard by people that matter. Your ideas and thoughts heard by other people like you is meaningless. If you can match ACTIONS to propogate your thoughts, by hauling your ass to Washington DC, spending some $$ out of pocket on travel to DC and meeting with a few of the 535 offices, then it matters. Otherwise your idea is not worth 2 cents sitting on forums read by people who are not legislators.
Secondly, YOU THINK that asking USCIS to follow the rules is easier than changing rules (thru legislation). That's because , you and many others like you, think of Government function as if its an IT project. Occupational hazard. That is not how the Government works. The reason they dont follow the rules is because they (1) dont care and (2) are not accountable. USCIS and its non-FIFO procedures, FBI namecheck delays, backlogs in receipting and adjudication of 140 (Atlanta PERM) etc is something that congress cannot fix. USCIS, FBI report to DHS and DOJ respectively and they in turn, report to the White House. Congress can rarely make them work better and make them answer for mistakes, as congress can only do "Oversight" hearings on them. Haul an agency or department head in front of a committee and ask questions (pre submitted). And ask them questions. Make some show on CSPAN. At the end of the day, if Administration tell congress - "GET LOST, mind your own business, this is the best we can do and we are doing it", then congress cannot do anything. Other than impeaching someone. No one is going to impeach Mike Chertoff because one of his agencies (USCIS) is not doing FIFO on something called 485 (which no one in DC knows what it is).
Congressional input rarely works. Example: Intervention of Congress during July bulletin. You know why? Because Congress HAD TO DO IT because of the uproar. I dont see any uproar and your issues like "there is no FIFO", "My PERM is stuck in Atlant for 6 months", or "I am stuck in namecheck for 4 years".
These things need lobbying the Administration. Lobbying the administration is MUCH MORE DIFFICULT and EXPENSIVE than lobbying congress. Why? Because each office of Congress has a boss that faces elections very often. Every 2 years in House and every 6 years in the Senate. Plus they have 535 offices (435 in House, 100 in senate). That means easier access. On the other hand, there is only one office heading USCIS, office of Emelio Gonzalez, and only one Michael Chertoff and only one DOJ and its FBI. So the access of more difficult and lobbying is more expensive.
When it comes to administration, you have limited leverage. Other than 2 people in the entire administration, no one is getting job by elections. The only 2 positions in this branch of Government that are elected and directly accountable to people are President and Vice President. Mike Chertoff of DHS or Emelio Gonzalez of USCIS wont lose next election coz those are on appointed positions not elected positions. Which also means that they dont have to worry about making people angry.
So you see, ASKING for good things like FIFO and Faster namecheck is great in theory. But please understand, from a civic lession viewpoint, the 3 branches of government viewpoint and then make suggestions.
Is Immigration Voice an organization that can raise 100,000 a month each month? NO. Not right now. Right now, people are busy checking their mailboxes for EAD cards. Out of 23,000 registered members, if each contribute $5 a month (equivalent to a burger, fries and coke), it is 100,000 a month. But it wont happen.
So until that happens, feel free to express your thoughts and opinions and brilliant ideas and happy forum discussion. If that's what makes you all happy and content.
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marlon2006
06-22 11:58 AM
I agree with you. No questions about it. I think there are two components on legal immigration alone:
1. People who are stuck in the queue for many years
2. Increase in visa numbers for future skilled workers
At minimum, number 1) above should be fixed out of fairness. We already went through the painful labor certification process. That's unrelated to market demand or not.
I agree, we haven't had a chance to put that clear message out there.
This myth has never been successfully countered in the media or any other PR or lobbying channel by the legal immigration crowd.
The standard line amounts to this:
We are highly skilled we are legal and we are stuck and dont deserve this.
This is not good PR. Nobody cares about this.. it will get us nowhere..
We need to have a standard message apart from all other humint crap..
1) legals cannot undercut US jobseekers because of strict labor laws. Employers are paying a premium in wages as well as legal fees to retain their legal alien workforce. IT would be foolhardy of them to go through the hassle if local talent was easily available.
2) legals are in most cases paying taxes for which they may never realize the benifits like social security.
We need to let it be known in a firm polite manner that
1) we are giving more than we are getting and are not free loaders
2) we are not harming or displacing anyone.
I dont think this can be perceived as tryng to distance ourselves from undocumented workers. There are rare moments when the media does focus on legal immigrants as a group lets make the most of it.
1. People who are stuck in the queue for many years
2. Increase in visa numbers for future skilled workers
At minimum, number 1) above should be fixed out of fairness. We already went through the painful labor certification process. That's unrelated to market demand or not.
I agree, we haven't had a chance to put that clear message out there.
This myth has never been successfully countered in the media or any other PR or lobbying channel by the legal immigration crowd.
The standard line amounts to this:
We are highly skilled we are legal and we are stuck and dont deserve this.
This is not good PR. Nobody cares about this.. it will get us nowhere..
We need to have a standard message apart from all other humint crap..
1) legals cannot undercut US jobseekers because of strict labor laws. Employers are paying a premium in wages as well as legal fees to retain their legal alien workforce. IT would be foolhardy of them to go through the hassle if local talent was easily available.
2) legals are in most cases paying taxes for which they may never realize the benifits like social security.
We need to let it be known in a firm polite manner that
1) we are giving more than we are getting and are not free loaders
2) we are not harming or displacing anyone.
I dont think this can be perceived as tryng to distance ourselves from undocumented workers. There are rare moments when the media does focus on legal immigrants as a group lets make the most of it.
GKBest
10-12 05:06 PM
"PublicAffairs, CISOmbudsman" <CISOmbudsman.Publicaffairs@dhs.gov>
I'll ask my lawyer to do this since he still has some clients who are still waiting like us.
I'll ask my lawyer to do this since he still has some clients who are still waiting like us.
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gc_peshwa
11-17 04:45 PM
Pappu
Running this thread to thousands of pages alone is not gonna help us. Do you guys have a conference call where I can join and take up some action items?
IF IV has to throw its might behind this bill we need to:
-Reach out to ALL lawmakers, target who are susceptible (Sen. Brown from MA for example)
-Use phone calls (Can we have a mass phone campaign)
-Radio shows (Do we have a Radio show in Washington DC where IV can get Air time. I am sure lawmakers do listen to Radio shows)
-Email (what this thread is about right now)
Running this thread to thousands of pages alone is not gonna help us. Do you guys have a conference call where I can join and take up some action items?
IF IV has to throw its might behind this bill we need to:
-Reach out to ALL lawmakers, target who are susceptible (Sen. Brown from MA for example)
-Use phone calls (Can we have a mass phone campaign)
-Radio shows (Do we have a Radio show in Washington DC where IV can get Air time. I am sure lawmakers do listen to Radio shows)
-Email (what this thread is about right now)
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arnet
05-04 02:55 PM
what about country limit or quota (hard country limit too)?
sen_raju
07-11 09:50 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/community/news/ucf/orl-visas1107jul11,0,5061439.story
I am going to call the reporter and thank him again.
I am going to call the reporter and thank him again.
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AirWaterandGC
05-09 02:25 PM
I had asked about this earlier too. Can one buy a business and sponsor others om H1-B when one is on H1B ?
Will someone please respond ?
Thank you.
Will someone please respond ?
Thank you.
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franklin
07-07 09:59 PM
Macaca,
Franklin is a her not him. She is our Northern California group coordinator. I will convey your message but I am pretty sure she might already have gotten it by reading it here on the forum
Franklin here - don't worry Macaca I just like reminding people occasionally when things get out of order :)
I couldn't make it unfortunately (short notice and had, ironically, my FP appointment at the same time in a different city). But I'm glad that some people did.
I guess I'm the unofficial coordinator of Nor Cal I just get conference calls together every now and then :rolleyes:
Franklin is a her not him. She is our Northern California group coordinator. I will convey your message but I am pretty sure she might already have gotten it by reading it here on the forum
Franklin here - don't worry Macaca I just like reminding people occasionally when things get out of order :)
I couldn't make it unfortunately (short notice and had, ironically, my FP appointment at the same time in a different city). But I'm glad that some people did.
I guess I'm the unofficial coordinator of Nor Cal I just get conference calls together every now and then :rolleyes:
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sidshar
05-24 08:45 AM
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grupak
07-30 10:39 AM
EAD for spouse and self, RD and ND June 18th, LUD on June 20th showing case pending,
LUD on July 29th and July 30th showing approved and card ordered.
My PD will be current in August.
LUD on July 29th and July 30th showing approved and card ordered.
My PD will be current in August.
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gsc999
07-06 07:09 PM
Legal Immigrants Protest at San Jose on July 7
Location: City Hall
200 E Santa Clara St
San Jose, CA Yahoo Google Map
When: From Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:00 am to Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:30 pm
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I just checked with the city, and San Jose police dept. they don't know about this event and haven't issued any permit for it. Fightnow, since you originated this thread, please post relevant info. as to who is organizing it.
Arun Antonia, do you want to coordinate this event for next week?
The Police dept. said that as long as the traffic and pedestrian sidewalk are not blocked and there is no violence it is ok with them. Now only if I know who will issue the permit, that should do it.
Location: City Hall
200 E Santa Clara St
San Jose, CA Yahoo Google Map
When: From Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:00 am to Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:30 pm
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I just checked with the city, and San Jose police dept. they don't know about this event and haven't issued any permit for it. Fightnow, since you originated this thread, please post relevant info. as to who is organizing it.
Arun Antonia, do you want to coordinate this event for next week?
The Police dept. said that as long as the traffic and pedestrian sidewalk are not blocked and there is no violence it is ok with them. Now only if I know who will issue the permit, that should do it.
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snthampi
02-02 07:19 PM
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Lol.. majority needs reservations ??, in a class of 100 if 50 % are group A, then group has the most chance of getting jobs with the sheer attribute of having numbers to advantage, however if group A is morally corrupt and think that reservation is their birthright, then so be it. They will always suffer with prosecution complex.
I think, people used the reservation system to get their degrees in India should be pushed back in the GC line. What do you all say?
Just kidding :-)
Lol.. majority needs reservations ??, in a class of 100 if 50 % are group A, then group has the most chance of getting jobs with the sheer attribute of having numbers to advantage, however if group A is morally corrupt and think that reservation is their birthright, then so be it. They will always suffer with prosecution complex.
I think, people used the reservation system to get their degrees in India should be pushed back in the GC line. What do you all say?
Just kidding :-)
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sammyb
02-14 09:49 AM
Team IV,
Good job ... I do recurring contribution and will do $100 for the DC Day :)...
Good job ... I do recurring contribution and will do $100 for the DC Day :)...
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gccovet
02-09 02:45 PM
I will mail my $50 Contribution Today.
GO IV GO-
Thanks a lot rvurady14.
GO IV GO-
Thanks a lot rvurady14.
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factoryman
07-02 12:15 AM
with a copy of I-140, you can complete all your paperwork between now and dawn tomorrow.
In the meanwhile, act everything is normal. Ask a employment letter with job title and current salary (say, you want it for trip to Canada or renewing your DL or some 'genunine' reason like that.
Apply.
Hi guys,
With all the news floating around about the VISAs getting exhausted in early July on one side and having an employer who does not seem too eager to apply for I485 since past two months, how does one deal with it ?
I wish all this was a little less complicated..:confused:
In the meanwhile, act everything is normal. Ask a employment letter with job title and current salary (say, you want it for trip to Canada or renewing your DL or some 'genunine' reason like that.
Apply.
Hi guys,
With all the news floating around about the VISAs getting exhausted in early July on one side and having an employer who does not seem too eager to apply for I485 since past two months, how does one deal with it ?
I wish all this was a little less complicated..:confused:
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tonyHK12
02-24 02:22 PM
I have received the news letter and it is pretty neat. But you know, many people are busy. So my suggestion was to send out another simple version with only the Advocacy day link with a request for contribution.
Will check with StarSun. maybe a weekly mail with our funding status
Will check with StarSun. maybe a weekly mail with our funding status
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stucklabor
06-26 01:03 PM
Dear mpkmaster, it is easy to ignore facts and throw stones like "your are rasist". And it is not easy to face the reality. Since you are so smart, I would like to ask you some questions:
1. Why there are long immigration lines in the US, Europe, Australia, Canada, Singapore etc, and almost none for Mexico, Latin America, Middle East etc. Maybe because these countries a full of "racists" ?
2. Tell me why some some people/countries can manage their economy and become attractive centers for immigration and other are just hell holes. There is a huge difference between Japan, S. Korea, China and N. Korea and they are populated by the same race - what has racism has to do with that ?
3. Why did you immigrate from your own country?
I will tell you one thing - due to my profession I have visited most countries in the world, including India. And definitely have a better understanding what is racism, what is protectionism, what is laziness, stupidity etc. Do not hide all these behind "racism", won't work...
Come on, Admin, delete quickly this "racist" evil message :-)
I am not going to stoop to your level, Bkam, but the next time you post a comment about sombreros etc you are looking at a ban. It is up to you what you choose to do.
1. Why there are long immigration lines in the US, Europe, Australia, Canada, Singapore etc, and almost none for Mexico, Latin America, Middle East etc. Maybe because these countries a full of "racists" ?
2. Tell me why some some people/countries can manage their economy and become attractive centers for immigration and other are just hell holes. There is a huge difference between Japan, S. Korea, China and N. Korea and they are populated by the same race - what has racism has to do with that ?
3. Why did you immigrate from your own country?
I will tell you one thing - due to my profession I have visited most countries in the world, including India. And definitely have a better understanding what is racism, what is protectionism, what is laziness, stupidity etc. Do not hide all these behind "racism", won't work...
Come on, Admin, delete quickly this "racist" evil message :-)
I am not going to stoop to your level, Bkam, but the next time you post a comment about sombreros etc you are looking at a ban. It is up to you what you choose to do.
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unitednations
03-08 06:41 PM
In defense of the EB2I argument thought UN, I could argue that the Horizontal spillover was right all along and it was EB3ROW that benefited since 2005 at the expense of EB2I.
As you rightly point out, there is room for interpretation in the way the law is written, and that is why we keep having this discussion. I remember vehemently having this discussion with you on immigration.com. The bottom line is I am still waiting having been "current" twice since that time! The interpretation view of spillover over the last year is the only thing that gives me any hope near term.
In the mean time, those like me have dealt with a barrage of other processing changes that have affected EB2I ie Labor Subs., Eb3-EB2 jumpers, the July VB fiasco impact on older 485s etc. Not sure about the exact extent of each, but nonetheless, you feel screwed by the system when your 485 is pending for near 4 yrs.
This is one harrowing experience everyone wants to forget once they get greened. Thanks for sticking around with your valuable insight.
I feel where you are coming from; I am also from the waited four years to get approved from filing 485 club.
btw; every person I know of from India who has gotten green from October 2008 were those eb3 guys who converted to eb2 through perm labor. I have a feeling that this is going to cause a lot of stress to eb2 as many people have been able to obtain old priority dates through eb3. Maybe not much solace but with perm labors taking 9 months to get approved now (most recent approvals were filed in July 2008) it does help India a bit. It is taking longer for eb2 ROW to get into 140/485 que and would cause more visas to be spilled over. If labors were getting approved fast then there would be less spillover in this fiscal year.
Department of State is really playing with people with their continuing change of how they are interpreting the law with regards to visa spillover. In Mid 90's I left USA (one of the reasons; not main reason was because I was told it would take about three years to get greencard; looks like a small wait compared to now).
As you rightly point out, there is room for interpretation in the way the law is written, and that is why we keep having this discussion. I remember vehemently having this discussion with you on immigration.com. The bottom line is I am still waiting having been "current" twice since that time! The interpretation view of spillover over the last year is the only thing that gives me any hope near term.
In the mean time, those like me have dealt with a barrage of other processing changes that have affected EB2I ie Labor Subs., Eb3-EB2 jumpers, the July VB fiasco impact on older 485s etc. Not sure about the exact extent of each, but nonetheless, you feel screwed by the system when your 485 is pending for near 4 yrs.
This is one harrowing experience everyone wants to forget once they get greened. Thanks for sticking around with your valuable insight.
I feel where you are coming from; I am also from the waited four years to get approved from filing 485 club.
btw; every person I know of from India who has gotten green from October 2008 were those eb3 guys who converted to eb2 through perm labor. I have a feeling that this is going to cause a lot of stress to eb2 as many people have been able to obtain old priority dates through eb3. Maybe not much solace but with perm labors taking 9 months to get approved now (most recent approvals were filed in July 2008) it does help India a bit. It is taking longer for eb2 ROW to get into 140/485 que and would cause more visas to be spilled over. If labors were getting approved fast then there would be less spillover in this fiscal year.
Department of State is really playing with people with their continuing change of how they are interpreting the law with regards to visa spillover. In Mid 90's I left USA (one of the reasons; not main reason was because I was told it would take about three years to get greencard; looks like a small wait compared to now).
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bigboy007
07-04 04:55 PM
BHai log : when some of my friends called USCIS they said they are NOT going to return the Files FOR NOW , i dont know why and what for . SO if somebody receives the files (which i dont think is going to happen so quickly though) please let us know asap.
gchopes
12-26 09:07 AM
I received FP notices for myself and spouse on Saturday, Dec 22 for FP at the Charlotte office on Jan 11.
- gchopes.
- gchopes.
gcputtu
11-21 05:19 PM
totally agree.
I second that idea.
We should let Mehul decide, and help him in any way we can!
I second that idea.
We should let Mehul decide, and help him in any way we can!
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